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trixie toolchain freeze - util-linux
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Chris Hofstaedtler
2025-02-20 11:20:01 UTC
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Dear Release Team,

I would like to put util-linux 2.41 into trixie. Upstream released
an rc1 yesterday, and promised to try being in time for our freeze.

However, life can happen and things can be delayed.

I want to a) avoid being stuck on an old util-linux branch: 2.40
already has had its fourth point release, which might be most point
releases a util-linux upstream version ever had. And b) I'd like to
avoid having a release candidate in trixie :)

So long story short: are you okay with me uploading rc1 to unstable
now, and if the final doesn't *quite* make it for the toolchain
freeze, could it still get in afterwards?

Thanks,
Chris
Sebastian Ramacher
2025-02-21 10:10:02 UTC
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[resending to debian-***@l.d.o]

Hi Chris
Post by Chris Hofstaedtler
Dear Release Team,
I would like to put util-linux 2.41 into trixie. Upstream released
an rc1 yesterday, and promised to try being in time for our freeze.
However, life can happen and things can be delayed.
I want to a) avoid being stuck on an old util-linux branch: 2.40
already has had its fourth point release, which might be most point
releases a util-linux upstream version ever had. And b) I'd like to
avoid having a release candidate in trixie :)
So long story short: are you okay with me uploading rc1 to unstable
now, and if the final doesn't *quite* make it for the toolchain
freeze, could it still get in afterwards?
Do you have some estimates from last releases of util-linux how many
changes go into a release after rc1? Do you expect a big diff between
rc1 and the final release?

Cheers
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Sebastian Ramacher
Chris Hofstaedtler
2025-02-21 11:20:01 UTC
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Hi Sebastian,
Post by Sebastian Ramacher
Post by Chris Hofstaedtler
I would like to put util-linux 2.41 into trixie. Upstream released
an rc1 yesterday, and promised to try being in time for our freeze.
[..]
Post by Sebastian Ramacher
Post by Chris Hofstaedtler
So long story short: are you okay with me uploading rc1 to unstable
now, and if the final doesn't *quite* make it for the toolchain
freeze, could it still get in afterwards?
Do you have some estimates from last releases of util-linux how many
changes go into a release after rc1? Do you expect a big diff between
rc1 and the final release?
Excellent questions.

The last few util-linux releases allowed a longer time between rc1
and final, up to three months. Obviously they had more changes,
between 90 and 135 commits, including translation updates (those
being the bulk of the diff).

For v2.41 the plan is: rc2 next week, final March 5th, so just under
a month. I see there are already 15 commits since rc1, but 10 are
translations or translation-support stuff, 1 to autotools for docs,
1 for meson (which we do not use yet), 1 is a doc fix, and 1 actual
code fix.

tl;dr: I think the diff might be "not short", but shorter than
before and it will be a lot of inconsequential stuff.

Sorry for not having a clearer answer.

Best,
Chris

PS: (for everyone else reading) rc1 is in experimental, please test
it!
Chris Hofstaedtler
2025-02-22 15:40:01 UTC
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Post by Chris Hofstaedtler
Sorry for not having a clearer answer.
There's a few autopkgtest regressions with 2.41 rc1. From a quick look, some
of them caused by different output on errors or different command line
interfaces. Can you take a look and file bugs at important severity?
https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?experimental=1&package=util-linux
Thanks, filed bugs now:

https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/bts-usertags.cgi?user=***@debian.org&tag=util-linux-2.41

I couldn't really tell whats going on in dlm, sbd, dracut and I
think mmdebstrap might just be a timeout. Filed them anyway so
maintainers can check.

Chris

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